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nestor's avatar
12 years ago
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nestor
nestor
went to solemn mass at westminster cathedral today

lots of incense

woot
asemisldkfj's avatar
12 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
I need a copy of the bible.
nestor's avatar
12 years ago
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nestor
haha, i've got a few of those... hebrew tanakh, ignatius press rsv, and a leather-bound pocket kjv from at least 1906 (one of the oldest books i own).

meh

it isn't that good.

you probably should read it. i've read it twice. some translations are really terrible though.
asemisldkfj's avatar
12 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
yeah, I plan on reading it. I need to contact a church near me or something and see if they can hook me up with a free copy. any particular translations that suck?
nestor's avatar
12 years ago
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simple english, literal english, kjv is the one that says things like 'thou shalt not kill'.

you have to be careful though as some churches will push a 'proprietary' bible at you... with their own interpretations in the margins or worse in the actual translation.
asemisldkfj's avatar
12 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
any suggestions for a good translation? I was kind of just going to go for a King James.
nestor's avatar
12 years ago
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nestor
the kjv is widely regarded as the most literary but it uses a lot of archaic language. it depends why you want to read it, i guess.
Carpetsmoker's avatar
12 years ago
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Martin
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible
phi_'s avatar
12 years ago
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phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
Don't waste your time.
dannyp's avatar
12 years ago
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dannyp
dʎuuɐp
dp provides source code:

http://www.codex-sinaiticus.net/en/
asemisldkfj's avatar
12 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
haha thanks dp.

I want to read it because I would like to be more familiar with religion in general and think that there might be some wisdom to be gleaned religious texts.

I ordered a free Qur'an from some sketchy-looking website so hopefully that comes soon too.
nestor's avatar
12 years ago
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haha phi_

i think it's worthwhile to read because a lot of people talk about it, argue over it without actually having read the thing. also it has influenced our society in many ways and remains a core text of the western canon...

you don't have to believe a word in it :)
asemisldkfj's avatar
12 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
*gleaned from
Carpetsmoker's avatar
12 years ago
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Carpetsmoker
Martin
Indeed, as far as I'm concerned the bible is a book of fiction, but as Nestor pointed out, it has been a massive influence in European (And by extension American) history, and it continues to be a large influence to this day (How can you truly understand President Bush if you have not read the bible?)

Also, even though it's fiction, that doesn't mean it might contain some wisdom, I have never read the complete bible (Only parts), but for example I remember this one story where Jesus washes to feet of his apostles to show them their arrogant ways and teach them humility ... I thought it was a ncie story and it may contain some wisdom ... For some of us ...
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12 years ago
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Martin
btw.
A while ago I saw a Joel Osteen doing some preaching on TV, I liked him, it was about how we should not be judgemental towards people, and respect everyone ...
asemisldkfj's avatar
12 years ago
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asemisldkfj
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12 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
Joel Osteen and his wife are some of the fakest-looking, creepy people I have ever seen.

http://www.odysseyarena.com/assets/_files/ima … -small.jpg
greene's avatar
12 years ago
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cursed, but the demons i confronted with dispersed
joel osteen knows whats up...i doubt he christianity. seems more like a new age speaker

he talks a lot about the power of inner monologue
asemisldkfj's avatar
12 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
I am borrowing my mom's Bible that her church gave her when she was 9 years old. it's a revised standard version.
asemisldkfj's avatar
11 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
I just finished Mark's gospel and started Matthew's this morning. some good stuff. I'm also watching a four-part Frontline episode called From Jesus to Christ that is about the early church.
bsdlite's avatar
11 years ago
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thinks darkness is his ally
> four-part Frontline episode called From Jesus to Christ

are you watching this on tv or did you torrent? sounds interesting enough to download
asemisldkfj's avatar
11 years ago
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the law is no protection
I got the DVD from the library, but all Frontline episodes are available on their website! easily findable via a search engine.

it's not bad so far, and is at least introducing me to the opinions of a bunch of scholars on Jesus' life, the gospels, etc. even if it is presented in the lame, dramatic way that most PBS documentaries are (the same loop of ominous or dramatic music happening like every five minutes, terrible-looking shots of a scale model of Jerusalem during which no one is talking, overly affected and silly readings from the Gospels, etc.).
nny's avatar
11 years ago
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nny
M̮͈̣̙̰̝̃̿̎̍ͬa͉̭̥͓ț̘ͯ̈́t̬̻͖̰̞͎ͤ̇ ̈̚J̹͎̿̾ȏ̞̫͈y̭̺ͭc̦̹̟̦̭̫͊̿ͩeͥ̌̾̓ͨ
you know... jesus wasn't a bad guy... it's just that all the church's today are basically built from the ashes of the dark age and roman empire churches... which were basically the exact opposite of what jesus was all about.

it's actually kinda funny that so many people can be so willfully ignorant of their own "faith".
Étrangère's avatar
11 years ago
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Étrangère
I am not a robot...
Why is faith in quotation marks? You don't think they actually have faith in god?
nny's avatar
11 years ago
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nny
M̮͈̣̙̰̝̃̿̎̍ͬa͉̭̥͓ț̘ͯ̈́t̬̻͖̰̞͎ͤ̇ ̈̚J̹͎̿̾ȏ̞̫͈y̭̺ͭc̦̹̟̦̭̫͊̿ͩeͥ̌̾̓ͨ
Via wiktionary.org: Definitions of Faith...

Etymology

From Middle English feith < Old French feid < Latin fides (“‘faith, belief, trust’”) < fidere (“‘to trust, to confide in’”). Used in English since the 12th Century.

1. Mental acceptance of and confidence in a claim as truth without proof supporting the claim.

I have faith in the healing power of crystals.

>> ME >> Self Delusion and Irrationality. Check.

2. (Christian theology) Belief and trust in the Christian God's promises revealed through Christ in the New Testament.
* Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld. (Hebrews 11:1)

>> ME >> Self Delusion, Irrationality, and Mythos. Sweet... thor ftw!


3. A trust in the intentions or abilities of a person, object, or belief in spite of a lack of knowledge in the person, object, or belief.

I have faith in the goodness of my fellow man.

>> ME >> Optimism, Alright... can be very functional. Not a bad faith to have.

4. (countable) A system of religious belief.

The Christian faith has been spread by proselytizing.

>> ME >> This is the one not like the others.

6. An obligation of loyalty or fidelity.
7. The observance of such an obligation.

He acted in good faith to restore broken diplomatic ties after defeating the incumbent.

>> ME >> Good Faith Agreements. Okay not relevant...


So, I quoted faith because there's a distinction between faith.. a choice of religion, and faith an irrational and uncompromising belief in whatever.

It's like a double entendre.

It's sort of a hey... is the church you are a member of, something you actually believe in? are you even certain what you actually believe? I mean... your church doesn't follow the person whose teaching they are founded on... nor does it follow the majority of its single major doctrine ( the bible ).

It raises a bunch of questions regarding the use of the word faith and your desire to make it a part of your self.

People tend to discuss Faith as a good thing. I think it's important we look at what faith as a word is, and choose the parts of it we see as good and the part we see as bad. Open discussion and continued development. Personally I'm all for dropping the whole magic sky grandpa bit.
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11 years ago
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DaGr8Gatzby
Drunk by Myself
Man I have to put up with Joel Osteen billboards, posters, and people shoving his mantras into my brain. I can't stand that guy. At least his Dad wasn't as bad. I don't hop on the megachurch bandwagon.
bsdlite's avatar
11 years ago
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thinks darkness is his ally
tl;dr
 
11 years ago
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History500
I AM the walrus!
For a non-christian to read the bible, it would be best to read the new testament first.
nny's avatar
11 years ago
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nny
M̮͈̣̙̰̝̃̿̎̍ͬa͉̭̥͓ț̘ͯ̈́t̬̻͖̰̞͎ͤ̇ ̈̚J̹͎̿̾ȏ̞̫͈y̭̺ͭc̦̹̟̦̭̫͊̿ͩeͥ̌̾̓ͨ
Really? I always found the Old Testament to be a hell of a lot more exciting. With obvious exception to revelations... what a trip.