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13 years ago
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i think i'm going to get up a film b/w darkroom in my mom's basement over winter break.

here's my list!

chemicals ($31)
kodak d-76 developer powder, 1 gallon ($5.79 @ freestylephoto.biz)
kodak indicator stop bath, 16 oz. ($5.99 @ freestylephoto.biz)
kodak fixer powder, 1 gallon ($5.49 @ freestylephoto.biz)
kodak hypo clearing agent powder, 5 gallons ($5.99 @ freestylephoto.biz)
kodak photo flo 200, 16oz. ($7.99 @ freestylephoto.biz)

equipment ($102)
g.e. red 11 watt bulb ($4.29 @ freestylephoto.biz)
paterson set of three 8x10" developing trays ($11.95 @ bhphotovideo.com)
set of three bamboo tongs ($4.49 @ bhphotovideo.com)
500ml plastic beaker ($6.95 @ bhphotovideo.com)
darkroom thermometer ($4.95 @ bhphotovideo.com)
steel tank with lid and two 35mm reels ($23.49 @ bhphotovideo.com)
ilford mg 3.5x3.5" filter set ($27.95 @ bhphotovideo.com)
tundra focus scope ($17.95 @ bhphotovideo.com)

maybe i'm missing something?
phi_'s avatar
13 years ago
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phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
I've got a Patterson 2-reel tank if you want it.
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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do you have 35mm reels as well?
Étrangère's avatar
13 years ago
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Étrangère
I am not a robot...
I support this action
phi_'s avatar
13 years ago
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phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
I believe so, I'll check when I get home from work tonight.
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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hrm..

+ (3) 1 gallon jugs
+ (1) 5 gallon tank
- 500ml plastic beaker
+ 500ml glass beaker
+ gloves
+ changing bag
+ can opener
+ scissors
+ pushpins
+ string
+ clothes pins
+ washing contraption for film and paper
+ fan
+ tables/work areas
+ walls
phi_'s avatar
13 years ago
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phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
> + walls

You don't have these already?
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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haha, no, my mom's basement is unfinished
phi_'s avatar
13 years ago
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phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
Ohhhhh, okay. That makes more sense.
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13 years ago
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bluet
don't forget a scanner to make digital copies
andyp's avatar
13 years ago
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andyp
nothing is wrong - what are you scared of?
so wait.. are you developing film and printing or just doing the film?
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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printing too. i have a beseler printmaker 35 enlarger.
andyp's avatar
13 years ago
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andyp
nothing is wrong - what are you scared of?
oh okay
Fsmart's avatar
13 years ago
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Fsmart
sweet
andyp's avatar
13 years ago
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andyp
nothing is wrong - what are you scared of?
so does that enlarger only accept 35mm? I don't really know much about the enlarger numbers :P
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13 years ago
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lucas
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it can enlarge 120, but it supposedly vignettes it a bit.

the printmaker 35 is exactly the same as the printmaker 67, except that the former has a smaller lens (thus the vignetting with larger film).
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13 years ago
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Étrangère
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<3 vignetting
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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phi_: i just got the tank and reels. seems like a pretty sweet setup. thanks!
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13 years ago
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phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
No problem man! Glad it's getting some use.
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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$150 later, i got everything ordered.
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13 years ago
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lucas
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bhphotovideo.com --
Tundra Focus Scope ($17.95)
Chemical Storage Bottle, 128 oz. (4 @ $3.49)
Paterson Plastic Beaker, 32 oz. ($9.50)
Paterson Plastic Developing Trays, Set of 3 ($11.95)
Samigon Bamboo Print Tongs, Set of 3 ($4.95)
Delta 6" Darkroom Thermometer ($4.95)
Ilford MG 3.5x3.5" Filter Set ($27.95)
UPS 3-Day Shipping ($8.75)

freestylephoto.biz --
G.E. Red 11 watt Bulb ($4.29)
Kodak D-76 Film Developer Powder, 1 Gallon ($5.79)
Kodak Dektol B&W Paper Developer Powder, 1 Gallon ($6.29)
Kodak Fixer Powder, 1 Gallon ($5.49)
Kodak Hypo Clearing Agent Powder, 5 Gallons ($5.99)
Kodak Indicator Stop Bath 16 oz. ($5.99)
Kodak Photo-Flo 200 16 oz. ($7.99)
Fedex Ground Shipping ($4.99)

Total Cost: $146.78
Étrangère's avatar
13 years ago
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Étrangère
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Yay!
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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i decided to get a few more things.

bhphotovideo.com --
Beseler 8x10" Quick Easel ($8.95)
Smoothee 9" Squeegee ($16.95)
Yankee Plastic Developing Trays, Set of 3 ($9.95)

also, i should add that the Beseler Printmaker 35 cost me $50.

Complete, Updated Total Cost: $232.63
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13 years ago
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andyp
nothing is wrong - what are you scared of?
nice. have you started developing yet?
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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nope, i'm still waiting for everything to get here. i'm starting on the plumbing tomorrow. i need to run some copper pipe for a faucet and some pvc for a drain. i'm also going to frame a couple walls, probably.
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13 years ago
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i just got all of my chemicals! d-76, dektol, stop, fixer, hypo, and photo-flo! woo--

all of my gear arrives next week. i can't wait for this action.
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13 years ago
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i ditched this:
g.e. red 11 watt bulb ($4.29 @ freestylephoto.biz)

and i bought this instead:
arkay 5x7" with oc filter and 15 watt lamp ($34 @ bhphotovideo.com)
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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and i want a few more things:

ilford anti-static cloth ($10.49)
delta photo pen ($1.95)
samigon bamboo print tongs, set of 3 ($4.95)
paterson 45ml graduate ($5.95)
chemical storage bottle, 32 oz. (5 @ $1.95)

i'm also going to watch ebay for an enlarger timer.
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13 years ago
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lucas
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i'm bidding on an old time-o-lite:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem … 0333885590
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13 years ago
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lucas
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here's my final setup, organized differently.

chemicals
kodak d-76 film developer powder, 1 gallon ($5.79 @ fs)
kodak dektol paper developer powder, 1 gallon ($6.29 @ fs)
kodak fixer powder, 1 gallon ($5.49 @ fs)
kodak hypo clearing agent powder, 5 gallons ($5.99 @ fs)
kodak indicator stop bath 16 oz. ($5.99 @ fs)
kodak photo-flo 200 16 oz. ($7.99 @ fs)

dry side
beseler printmaker 35 enlarger ($50 via craigslist)
beseler full-frame negative carrier (free, thanks becky!)
time-o-lite m-59 ($18.74 via ebay)
beseler 8 x 10" quick easel ($8.95 @ bh)
arkay 5x7" with oc filter and 15 watt lamp ($33.95 @ bh)
ilford 13 x 13" anti-static cloth ($10.49 @ bh)
tundra focus scope ($17.95 @ bh)
ilford mg 3.5 x 3.5" filter set ($27.95 @ bh)

wet side
paterson 32 oz. plastic graduate ($9.50 @ bh)
paterson 45ml plastic graduate ($5.95 @ bh)
paterson plastic developing trays, set of 3 ($11.95 @ bh)
yankee plastic developing trays, set of 3 ($9.95 @ bh)
samigon bamboo print tongs, set of 3 ($4.95 @ bh)
tundra security bamboo print tongs, set of 3 ($4.50 @ bh)
smoothee 9" squeegee ($16.95 @ bh)
9 x 12" print drying book ($9.95 @ bh)
paterson tank and 35mm reels (free, thanks phi_!)
delta 6" darkroom thermometer ($4.95 @ bh)
chemical storage bottle, 128 oz. (4 @ $3.49 @ bh)
kalt 32 oz. chemical storage bottle (5 @ $1.95 @ bh)

bh shipping costs: $32.15
fs shipping costs: $4.99

total, including shipping: $345.07


so, over budget? :o
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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so i'm going to stick with these chemicals:

kodak hypo clearing agent powder 5 gal. ($5.99 @ fs)
kodak indicator stop bath 16 oz. ($5.99 @ fs)
kodak photo-flo 200 16 oz. ($7.99 @ fs)

but i'm going to try these for a change:

agfa rodinal 17 oz. ($16.99 @ fs)
ilford multigrade paper developer 5 l ($39.99 @ fs)
ilford hypam fixer 5 l ($22.99 @ fs)
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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i just bought some things that i'm going to try out for the first time:

fomapan 400 film -- it intrigues me with its alleged wide exposure latitude.

fomabrom vc fb variant iv 8x10 velvet semi-matte -- i want some semi-matte paper, and the only semi-matte from ilford is warm-tone and more expensive. this is cheaper and neutral-tone.

ilford hypam fixer -- it comes in liquid form, which will be nice to mix up small batches. and it's very inexpensive compared to ilford rapid fixer and kodak rapid fixer. i hope there isn't a reason why it's so cheap.
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13 years ago
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lucas
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here is some good info on ilford hypam fixer
 
13 years ago
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dru
The Art of Subconscious Illusion
if you get this rolling, you might have to let me develop some of my 120mm film from my Bronica.
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13 years ago
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lucas
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it's indeed rolling.
 
13 years ago
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dru
The Art of Subconscious Illusion
ah i see!

i didn't read everything.

Next step is actually taking some pictures with my camera :0)
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13 years ago
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ilford hypam fixer has quickly become my fixer of choice. it's cheap (even cheaper than kodak rapid fixer!) and it's liquid (no mixing powder--db was right--it sucks!).
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13 years ago
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lucas
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oh, and dru, is it 120mm film or 120 film? 120 film is 6cm (60mm) wide.
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13 years ago
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lucas
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hovering over dektol, stop bath, and rapid fixer makes me want to vomit after a few hours.

need some ventilation :O
Étrangère's avatar
13 years ago
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Étrangère
I am not a robot...
ack, knock that off!
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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my darkroom now has a beseler 67 dichro!

:D

i think i'm going to miss using normal b&w vc filters. :/
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13 years ago
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dannyp
dʎuuɐp
how'd you get that? damn.
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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it was listed on craigslist for $100 in billings! /o/

so no one here wants a beseler printmaker 35 with a 35mm neg carrier and a 50mm lens?

what about a set of ilford 3.5" filters?
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13 years ago
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lucas
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why didn't anyone ever tell me this?!

http://www.kpraslowicz.com/2009/04/11/the-sec … velopment/
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13 years ago
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lucas
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i really need to rig up some ventilation, seal off the remaining light leaks, build a print washer, and start putting in 14-hour days in my darkroom.

those are the three things really holding me back right now.

also, these things would be nice, but not necessary:
* tap
* sink
* workbench to put my trays on, so i'm not constantly bending over
* non-piece-of-shit easel
Étrangère's avatar
13 years ago
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Étrangère
I am not a robot...
Have you listed your old enlarger on craigslist?
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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not yet.
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13 years ago
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lucas
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http://www.wingedleopard.net/lucas/photos/set/darkroom/
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13 years ago
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lucas
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on ebay, i bought an 11x14" archival print washer for $80 an 8x10" easel for $12.

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from elsewhere,
get ten more binder clips
get rubbing alcohol
get the archival print washer

from freestyle photo,
buy 100 sheets of arista rc 5x7" semi-matte
buy a red paterson 16x20" tray
buy a white paterson 16x20" tray
buy foma r09 developer
buy a residual hypo testing kit

on craigslist,
sell set of three paterson 8x10" trays

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then i'm all done!

i can process 135-film.
i can print 135-film cropped or full-frame.
i can print on rc up to 11x14".
i can print on fb up to 8x10".

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when i want to print 11x14" fb paper, i'll need:
* an 11x14" easel
* an 11x14" blotter book

when i want to process 120- or 220-film, i'll need:
* a 6cm reel

when i want to print 120- or 220-film, i'll need:
* the beseler #6740 (6x4.5cm), #6741 (6x6cm), or #6742 (6x7cm)
* an 80mm enlarging lens

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doing film larger than 6cm or paper larger than 11x14" will require significant equipment upgrades.
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13 years ago
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Étrangère
I am not a robot...
1. why are you getting 16x20 trays?
2. why only 2 of said trays?
3. ...you bought 11x14" rc?
lucas's avatar
13 years ago
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lucas
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> 1. why are you getting 16x20 trays?

i wanted them to be at least 11x14" so i could utilize my new washer to its full potential. paterson doesn't make an 11x14" tray; the smallest size they make at least that large is 12x16". sorry, the '16x20"' was a typo.

> 2. why only 2 of said trays?

i already got a set of three. i want two more so i have five total (dev, stop, hypo, water, hca).

> 3. ...you bought 11x14" rc?

no.
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13 years ago
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Étrangère
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Those first two make sense now.

But I don't follow why your max print sizes for rc and fiber don't match.
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13 years ago
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lucas
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my current easel is 8x10". i need an easel to hold down fb (because it curls), but i don't really need one for rc.

my current blotter book is 8x10". i need a blotter book to dry fb but not rc (i just hang up rc to dry).

those are my two current limiting factors for fb paper size.

the limiting factor for rc paper size is my tray size (12x16"), my enlarging height (i could project onto the floor, i suppose). also, my tray washing method sucks, so i'd like to use my new archival print washer for rc too (which is 11x14").
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13 years ago
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Étrangère
I am not a robot...
I forgot about the whole curling thing
andyp's avatar
12 years ago
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andyp
nothing is wrong - what are you scared of?
is your darkroom still operational?
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12 years ago
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lucas
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no