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9 years ago
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you can build this box for about $325:

(1) intel 2.5 ghz, 800 mhz fsb, 2 mb l2 cache, dual-core processor [e5200]
(1) intel ich7 motherboard [dg41ty]
(2) mushkin 1gb, 4-4-4-12 sdram [991603]
(1) western digital 640 gb, 16mb buffer hdd [wd6400aaks]
(1) antec 380 watt psu [ea-380d]
(1) antec case [three hundred]

then you just need a keyboard, mouse, power cable, and monitor.
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9 years ago
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Martin
E5200 :(

Better spend 50$ more and get a Core 2 CPU
lucas's avatar
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$65 for e5200 (2 mb l2, 800 mhz fsb, 2.5 ghz)
$118 for e7400 (3 mb l2, 1066 mhz fsb, 2.8 ghz)

so $53 more

cas goes up to 5-5-5-15, but there's a good deal on the ram at least.

i wanted to keep the price close to $300, though.
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Martin
The memory is overclocked 1066MHz memory. I avoid any overclocked memory like the plague.

For 53$ you will get a much better CPU, E5200 is a pentium, E7400 is a Core 2. Big difference. If you must go for the cheapest price then I would recommend getting AMD. AMD CPU's are often a much better performance/$ ratio.
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9 years ago
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Martin
Asus M2N68-AM 50$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It … -_-Product

AMD Athlon II X2 245 for 58$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It … -_-Product

AMD Athlon II X3 435 for 90$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It … -_-Product


You can also get a Phenom II for about 100$.
lucas's avatar
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> The memory is overclocked 1066MHz memory. I avoid any overclocked memory like the plague.

so what do you do? just run 800mhz memory?
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9 years ago
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Martin
Yes.
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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i was just trying to show off my atlas.wingedleopard.net build. i got this for $247.62 shipped:

(1) intel 2.5 ghz, 800 mhz fsb, 2 mb l2 cache, dual-core processor [e5200]
(1) intel ich7 motherboard [dg41ty]
(2) mushkin 1gb, 4-4-4-12 sdram [991603]
(1) antec 380 watt psu [ea380]
(1) antec case [three hundred]

but now you've ruined it for me! :p

it also has these components:

(4) western digital 640 gb, 16mb buffer hdd [wd6400aaks]
(2) seagate 250 gb, 16mb buffer hdd [st3250410as]
(1) rosewill sil3114 pci sata controller [rc209ex]
(3) scythe 120mm, 800rpm, fdb fan [sff21d]
(*) miscellaneous cables
Weasley's avatar
9 years ago
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20 x 10 living
"atlas"?

why "atlas"?
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE (ATLAS) #0: Mon Dec 28 18:01:28 UTC 2009

                 ATLAS bears your world.

atlas%
asemisldkfj's avatar
9 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
pub key auth!
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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> why "atlas"?

because it bears my (our?) world!
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9 years ago
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i want a motherboard that has onboard video and six sata ii ports. i've found these options:

Intel BOXDB43LD Intel B43 $77 [ (1)x16pcie, (1)x1pcie, (2)pci, (2)ram ] [ com header is worst possible location ]
Intel BOXDG43NB Intel G43 $85 [ (1)x16pcie, (3)x1pcie, (3)pci, (2)ram ]
Intel BOXDQ35JOE Intel Q35 $125 [ (1)x16pcie, (2)x1pcie, (1)pci, (4)ram ] [ com header is worst possible location ]
ASUS P5G43T-M Intel G43 $80 [ (1)x16pcie, (1)x1pcie, (2)pci, (2)ram ] [ only one fan header--wtf? ]
ASUS P5QL-VM Intel B43 $99 [ (1)x16pcie, (0)x1pcie, (3)pci, (4)ram ] [ has a serial port :) ]
ECS G43T-M Intel G43 $57 [ (1)x16pcie, (2)x1pcie, (1)pci, (4)ram ] [ no dvi, only hdmi :( ] [ only one fan header--wtf? ] [ com header is worst possible location ]
ECS G45T-M2 Intel G45 $90 [ (1)x16pcie, (1)x1pcie, (2)pci, (4)ram ] [ only one fan header--wtf? ]
Foxconn G43MX-K Intel G43 $77 [ (1)x16pcie, (1)x1pcie, (2)pci, (2)ram ] [ only one fan header--wtf? ] [ com header is worst possible location ]
Foxconn Q45M Intel Q45 $90 [ (1)x16pcie, (1)x1pcie, (2)pci, (4)ram ] [ com header is worst possible location ]

motherboards are such a crap-shoot
asemisldkfj's avatar
9 years ago
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for what it's worth, I've only ever bought asus motherboards and have never had a bad experience with one. but I feel like people say this about a lot of brands of motherboards, so.
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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i have narrowed it down to these:

Intel BOXDB43LD Intel B43
$77, (1) x16pcie, (1) x1pcie, (2) pci, (2) ram, fan headers ok, serial headers suck

Intel BOXDQ35JOE Intel Q35
$125, (1) x16pcie, (2) x1pcie, (1) pci, (4) ram, fan headers ok, serial headers suck

ASUS P5QL-VM Intel B43
$99, (1) x16pcie, (0) x1pcie, (3) pci, (4) ram, fan headers ok, serial port is great
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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i dislike the selection of expansion ports on the asus board, but i'm going with it.
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9 years ago
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well it worked for a month.

now two of the six sata2 channels aren't working. i'm blaming either the motherboard or the memory.
asemisldkfj's avatar
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asemisldkfj
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:(

I almost bought that motherboard the other day.
lucas's avatar
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atapci0: [ITHREAD]
atapci0: AHCI called from vendor specific driver
atapci0: AHCI v1.20 controller with 6 3Gbps ports, PM supported

ata2: <ATA channel 0> on atapci0
ata2: [ITHREAD]
ata3: <ATA channel 1> on atapci0
ata3: [ITHREAD]
ata4: <ATA channel 2> on atapci0
ata4: [ITHREAD]
ata5: <ATA channel 3> on atapci0
ata5: [ITHREAD]
ata6: <ATA channel 4> on atapci0
ata6: [ITHREAD]
ata7: <ATA channel 5> on atapci0
ata7: [ITHREAD]

...

ata3: port is not ready (timeout 10000ms) tfd = 0000007f
ata3: hardware reset timeout
ata3: port is not ready (timeout 10000ms) tfd = 00000080
ata3: hardware reset timeout

ata5: port is not ready (timeout 10000ms) tfd = 0000007f
ata5: hardware reset timeout
ata5: port is not ready (timeout 10000ms) tfd = 00000080
ata5: hardware reset timeout
Carpetsmoker's avatar
9 years ago
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Martin
I would say it's a mainboard problem ... Intel has fairly good warranty.
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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it's an asus P5QL-VM DO/CSM. i just sent a message to asus support. :/

Hi,

I'm running FreeBSD 8.0. It was working perfectly for four weeks. All six SATA channels were working well under AHCI mode.

However, recently, two of the SATA channels quit working. Can you please issue an RMA?

Here are the kernel messages showing the errors with channels 3 and 5:

atapci0: [ITHREAD]
atapci0: AHCI called from vendor specific driver
atapci0: AHCI v1.20 controller with 6 3Gbps ports, PM supported

ata2: <ATA channel 0> on atapci0
ata2: [ITHREAD]
ata3: <ATA channel 1> on atapci0
ata3: [ITHREAD]
ata4: <ATA channel 2> on atapci0
ata4: [ITHREAD]
ata5: <ATA channel 3> on atapci0
ata5: [ITHREAD]
ata6: <ATA channel 4> on atapci0
ata6: [ITHREAD]
ata7: <ATA channel 5> on atapci0
ata7: [ITHREAD]

...

ata3: port is not ready (timeout 10000ms) tfd = 0000007f
ata3: hardware reset timeout
ata3: port is not ready (timeout 10000ms) tfd = 00000080
ata3: hardware reset timeout

ata5: port is not ready (timeout 10000ms) tfd = 0000007f
ata5: hardware reset timeout
ata5: port is not ready (timeout 10000ms) tfd = 00000080
ata5: hardware reset timeout

Carpetsmoker's avatar
9 years ago
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Martin
Hm ... We send Asus boards to Asus repair center in Czech for repair ... Can take up to 6 weeks :( Sure hope it's faster in the US for you...

btw. They will probably not be impressed with your FreeBSD dmesg ... I would not have told them I was running FreeBSD because often they will say something to the effect of "Install Windows and call us again"...
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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i just got a response.

...

Thank you for contacting ASUS Customer Service.

My name is Stacey and it's my pleasure to help you with your problem.

Please clear CMOS as the following steps:
1)Turn off the computer and unplug the power cord.
2)Remove the BIOS battery.
3)Move the clrtc(besides the battery) jumper caps from [1-2] to [2-3]
for 5-10 seconds,then put the jumper caps back to the original position, [1-2].
4) Re-install the battery.
5) Plug the power cord and turn ON the computer.
6) then, load default settings, save and exit.
Then rebuild AHCI again for a test.

...

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9 years ago
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weird--i got a second response.

To setup an RMA you will either need to call 812-282-2787 option 3, option 3 or visit http://vip.asus.com/eservice/usa_rmaserv.aspx

Brent



:)
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ever since those two channels started timing out, the kernel has been using one core non-stop

USER      PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ   RSS  TT  STAT STARTED      TIME COMMAND
root        0 100.0  0.0     0    56  ??  DLs  Wed12PM 3090:18.31 [kernel]
root       11 100.0  0.0     0    16  ??  RL   Wed12PM 3839:51.98 [idle]
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9 years ago
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well now that i got an sua750, i can use either serial or usb to get battery backup information.

also, i think that was a wiring issue. i rewired, and everything is fine now. the two drives at the end of the chain weren't getting enough amps to spin-up.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1497496
asemisldkfj's avatar
9 years ago
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I'm having trouble justifying dropping > $300 on a new file server. I wish I could get this down around $200 somehow. if only all my hard drives at home weren't IDE. argh.
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9 years ago
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M̮͈̣̙̰̝̃̿̎̍ͬa͉̭̥͓ț̘ͯ̈́t̬̻͖̰̞͎ͤ̇ ̈̚J̹͎̿̾ȏ̞̫͈y̭̺ͭc̦̹̟̦̭̫͊̿ͩeͥ̌̾̓ͨ
buy a fonera 2.0n and a usb hard disk. use the host mode usb and the foneros dev image ( has samba server on it )

easy peasy
Carpetsmoker's avatar
9 years ago
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Martin
How many drives you got?
asemisldkfj's avatar
9 years ago
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asemisldkfj
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I want something more powerful than that since this will probably end up doing more than file serving.

I've got 2 500 GB drives. and maybe another smaller one that's like 40 or 80.

I got the build down to $303 after shipping.
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Martin
I would say scrap the 80G drive and get a mainboard with one IDE channel (Many cheaper have those).

What configuration are you looking at anyway?
I have an Atom 330 as fileserver, that works pretty well.
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the law is no protection
AMD Sempron 140 Sargas 2.7GHz Socket AM3 45W Single-Core Processor
Foxconn M61PMP-K AM3 NVIDIA MCP61P Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Desktop Memory
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
Antec NEO ECO 400C 400W Continuous Power ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V Active PFC Power Supply
Rosewill R101-P-BK 120mm Fan MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case

cpu has good reviews, motherboard has pretty good reviews and all the features I need (not many), kingston ram is fine, hard drive has great reviews, psu is low-power and has good reviews, and the case has good reviews too. and they're all cheap.
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I did it. grabbed this motherboard instead because I couldn't bring myself to go with anything but asus since it's all I've had in the past:

ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

and some DDR2 RAM for it. $318 after shipping.
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9 years ago
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changed my mind again. the power consumption of the new dual-core celerons is way better than that sempron I was going to get. worth ~20 extra bucks.
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Rosewill R101-P-BK 120mm Fan MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$29.99

ASUS P5G41-M LE/CSM LGA 775 Intel G41 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
$59.99

Antec NEO ECO 400C 400W Continuous Power ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V Active PFC Power Supply
$49.99

Intel Celeron E3300 Wolfdale 2.5GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E3300
$51.99

Kingston HyperX 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model KHX6400D2/2G
$43.99

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$69.99

Subtotal $305.94
Tax $0.00
UPS 3 Days $24.51
Order Total $330.45
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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lucas
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dude.. i got a computer i'm trying to get rid of. :/
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asemisldkfj
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crap. I knew I should have asked.
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9 years ago
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asemisldkfj
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got all this stuff today and put it together. going to install openbsd tomorrow. building a computer is still fun, but it's too easy for me now.
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dʎuuɐp
what are you selling lr?
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9 years ago
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an intel board with a core 2 chip, 2 gb ram, 250 gb sata hdd, sata dvdrw, mini case