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dannyp's avatar
9 years ago
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dʎuuɐp
anyone up on this genre? i think ttf would like it fairly well.

i picked up some books from the ben bova grand tour series a few months ago when borders was closing down stores.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_science_fiction

http://www.hardsf.org/SuggBkLt.htm
Carpetsmoker's avatar
9 years ago
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Martin
That's a good list to store in my bookmarks :)
phi_'s avatar
9 years ago
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... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
Alastair Reynolds ... best working hard SF writer at the moment.
asemisldkfj's avatar
9 years ago
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this is my favorite type of sci-fi. I hate fantasy shit. I like the mars series by kim stanley robinson. I alos really enjoyed the dispossessed by ursula k leguin.
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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i ❤ demo
i hate fantasy scifi too (e.g., dune). this would be decent, i suspect
nny's avatar
9 years ago
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red/blue/green mars would be hard. moon is a harsh mistress isn't bad either.
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planetes ( anime ) is great too.

also my office.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5065/586146527 … edf6_z.jpg
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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lucas
i ❤ demo
wow that imbues some distortion (although i realize there likely isn't any)
nny's avatar
9 years ago
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9 years ago
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the moon is a harsh mistress was good. I kind of hate every character heinlein creates though. this was much more true for stranger in a strange land; I definitely enjoyed the former much more.

I love that picture, nny.

I bought dune recently just because it's so well known. I did this with 2001 too. I haven't read either of them yet.
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... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
I really like Dune, but it really is more like fantasy-SF than hard-SF. That being said, I don't mind that. SF people tend to either love or hate that book...
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9 years ago
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Check out the Giants trilogy. The Author turned out to be some sort of crazy white supremacist or something but the book is great. Albeit a bit outlandish.

Kinda sci-fi meets indiana jones.

http://www.amazon.com/Giants-Novels-Inherit-G … 0345388852
dannyp's avatar
9 years ago
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dʎuuɐp
carpet, do you have massive hard scifi bookmarks or something? :D
Carpetsmoker's avatar
9 years ago
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Martin
No, I just bookmark stuff I like.

I don't particularly like "hard" science fiction though. Although I do dislike obvious bullshit and nonsense. Stuff that falls in that category is stuff like CSI, pretty much all star trek from the last 15 years, stargate, etc.
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yeah i agree with that.
dannyp's avatar
9 years ago
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dʎuuɐp
haha, you mean like this right?
Carpetsmoker's avatar
9 years ago
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Yeah, first contact is a piece of shit. First the borg attack earth in this epic spacebattle (How did they get all the way to earth anyway I wonder?) but only when they are losing do they travel back in time.
So why didn't they travel back in time BEFORE the battle? Out of sight of starships to follow them? And why not just travel to 2000BC when all we had to defend ourselves were spears and rocks instead of *just* before first contact?

AAARRRRRRGGGHHHHH

I'm not even going to begin on stuff like Crusher and Troi being more like furniture looking pretty or how retarded the Borg queen is or ...... AAAAARRRRGHGHHH
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9 years ago
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star trek doesn't translate to the movie format very well. I'm not sure why. don't hate on dr. crusher! I like her. but troi can be pretty annoying, and her mother is probably the worst character on tng.

generations is probably the worst of the movies. I watched it before and after I watched all the other movies and tv series and it absolutely sucked both times.
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9 years ago
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anyway, star trek as a whole is awesome hard sf, though I haven't read any of the books. kind of skeptical of those.
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9 years ago
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Martin
I read a bunch of books a couple of years ago. It's ok I guess ... Not really into fan-fiction.

There is a *large* difference between the TOS, TNG, and DS9 series, and VOY, ENT, and the movies since First Contact.

Prior movies ranged from "meh" to "Wow!", but at least they weren't "fubar".

Generations wasn't that bad IMHO ... Surly Nemesis and the last movie were worse ...

The second movie (Wrath of Kahn) is still the best IMHO!
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wrath of khan is good. I think my favorite is vi, the undiscovered country. best part is sulu as captain of the excelsior.
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9 years ago
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I am not a robot...
> star trek as a whole is awesome hard sf

Wait, Star Trek is hard sci-fi? Because I was unable to draw any worthwhile conclusions from the wiki page alone. I was assuming stuff like Star Trek would not fall into this category because it's not realistic enough...
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It depends on what you compare it with. If you compare Star Trek with hard SF books then it's not hard science fiction. But if you compare it to other TV shows and movies, it's pretty much as "hard" as you can get AFAIK.

As mentioned, there are also large differences between the various series and movies. "Star Trek" as a whole is a huge enterprise (bad pun, sorry).
Hard science fiction on TV is rare. Actually, it's pretty much non-existent.

There are a few movies such as Contact, 2001, Primer, etc. that do it better, but it's rare ...
dannyp's avatar
9 years ago
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dʎuuɐp
well in the wiki it talks about scientific rigor, and i think that part is pretty clear about the genre. it doesn't need to be realistic in every sense.

i think asemi had it right though -- as a whole! but i definitely also see the point about the movies and some of the other series specifically not being classified as this genre.
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I agree with Tue Sorensen in this thread

star trek told a somewhat scientifically-plausible story a lot of the time, or at least tried to.