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9 years ago
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i'm seeking recommendations for the best keyboard!

required:
* doesn't have a 9-key input
* has the control key to the left of "a" on the home row

preferred:
* usb
* black

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for example, the happy hacking keyboard.
bluet's avatar
9 years ago
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I was going to suggest the Happy Hacking Keyboard. :)

I used to use the Lite2 version, which has arrow keys. It suddenly stopped working, though.
 
9 years ago
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dbrown
why ps2?
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9 years ago
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nny
M̮͈̣̙̰̝̃̿̎̍ͬa͉̭̥͓ț̘ͯ̈́t̬̻͖̰̞͎ͤ̇ ̈̚J̹͎̿̾ȏ̞̫͈y̭̺ͭc̦̹̟̦̭̫͊̿ͩeͥ̌̾̓ͨ
I have an original das keyboard... love it.
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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> why ps2?

because i think it is more widely supported. i guess usb can be okay (if i can use an adapter for ps/2-only systems). hot-plug would be nice.
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9 years ago
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lucas
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ok, new qualifications:
* no ten-key
* ctrl on the home row
* usb
* black

damn, i want ctrl on the home row so so bad. i used to have a sun keyboard, and it felt so sweet. <3

seventy-two dollars shipped
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9 years ago
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bluet
$ cat .xmodmap  
remove Lock = Caps_Lock
keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L
add Control = Control_L
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9 years ago
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nny
M̮͈̣̙̰̝̃̿̎̍ͬa͉̭̥͓ț̘ͯ̈́t̬̻͖̰̞͎ͤ̇ ̈̚J̹͎̿̾ȏ̞̫͈y̭̺ͭc̦̹̟̦̭̫͊̿ͩeͥ̌̾̓ͨ
http://www.philosophyblog.com.au/userimages/u … 000382.jpg

I can't even find pictures of my rev 1.0 das keyboard online anymore... usb keyboard.

That pic is it... looking for a better shot.... can't find one...

http://techrepublic.com.com/i/tr/one_offs/eri … yboard.jpg

Best I can do.

I love that keyboard. So simple... so classic.
bluet's avatar
9 years ago
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bluet
So huge. :\
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9 years ago
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DaGr8Gatzby
Drunk by Myself
Having the CTRL key on the HomeRow is pretty fuckin' impossible on wintel. Would it be possible for you to remap Caps lock? Also, I like my Dinovo Edge. It's wireless BT though.
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9 years ago
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Martin
I would like this keyboard:
http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/i … /id/189771
 
9 years ago
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dbrown
@carpet: i have one of those without the 10-key, it's great!
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9 years ago
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Iwan Gabovitch
I'm now trying to figure out how to buy a Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 with Arabic letters in Germany. (no letters would be even better of course...)

Logitech is not a bitch regarding that: http://www.flickr.com/photos/qubodup/sets/721 … 34/detail/
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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lucas
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db: is this the one you have? it looks nice!

lenovo store
lenovo blog
engadget
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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lucas
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here is a black ps2 hhk deal.
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9 years ago
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Carpetsmoker
Martin
That looks great Lucas, I looked at the thinkpad stand-alone keyboard a few months ago, and considered buying it. I didn't mainbly because a) The touchpad, b) Price and c) Some not-so-positive reviews.

This seems to be a good improvement ... I might buy that one ... The M13 has the downside of having only two trackpoint buttons and they often have no Windows keys (I use "windows keys" often for my WM ... At some point in the past I even had little daemon stickers I put over the Windows logo :D)
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9 years ago
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bluet
My HHK broke. :\
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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lucas
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carpetsmoker: i think it looks great, too. i'll definitely consider it the next time i want to buy a keyboard.

bluet: have any idea how it happened? it is still in warranty?
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9 years ago
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bluet
> bluet: have any idea how it happened? it is still in warranty?

No idea, one day it wasn't recognised by the computer. I don't know if it's still in warranty. I don't have it anymore.
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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lucas
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oh.
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9 years ago
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lucas
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filco tenkeyless blue -- $121
pros: blue switches offer tactile feedback and click. no ten-key. usb or ps2. black.
cons: ctrl is not on the home row.
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happy hacking pro 2 -- $254
pros: topre switches are good. no ten-key. usb with hub. gray. ctrl is on the home row.
cons: none?
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realforce 87u tenkeyless -- $tba
pros: topre switches are good. no ten-key. usb. black. ctrl/capslock swappable.
cons: none?
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9 years ago
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lucas
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geek hack thread
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9 years ago
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lucas
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i'm bidding on a black hhkb lite 2 and a white hhkb lite 2.

pretty solid deals. it's the cheapest keyboard with a hardware homerow ctrl key. /o/
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9 years ago
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lucas
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AMBIEN PURCHASES
 
9 years ago
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dbrown
ok, i'm totally lost on the last post
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9 years ago
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lucas
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i take ambien, don't fall asleep, then become frivolous
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9 years ago
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lucas
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so i won a black ps2 hhbk lite2 for $29.33 shipped.

from geekhack.com, i've learned that ps/2 is good because it can handle more simultaneous characters than usb. so use ps/2 if you can, but if you only have usb or you need to hot plug, then use a ps/2 to usb adapter.
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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lucas
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btw, there are always quite a few of these listed by the same seller on ebay for $10 each (see here). if you search the name instead of the acronym, then you don't get the good deals (see here).

i'll report back on product quality and how well packed it was. they shipped quickly.
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9 years ago
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the law is no protection

ps/2 is good because it can handle more simultaneous characters than usb



is this ever realistically an issue? I've never even heard it before, which I think is telling.
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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lucas
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i don't know.
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9 years ago
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Martin
I recently encountered the issue while playing Dragon Age: Origins.

You can press the TAB key to highlight stuff (Items in the ground etc.), and use the WSAD combination to move.

If you hold TAB for highlight, press W for forward, and then Q for strafe left, then my PC goes *beep* and the Q key does nothing ....
Strangely, the E key for strafe left does work ...
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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lucas
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ps/2 ftw!
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9 years ago
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Martin
Actually, that is a PS/2 keyboard
lucas's avatar
9 years ago
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lucas
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sucks
nny's avatar
9 years ago
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nny
M̮͈̣̙̰̝̃̿̎̍ͬa͉̭̥͓ț̘ͯ̈́t̬̻͖̰̞͎ͤ̇ ̈̚J̹͎̿̾ȏ̞̫͈y̭̺ͭc̦̹̟̦̭̫͊̿ͩeͥ̌̾̓ͨ
man my thinkpad keyboard is like set to ship dec 14th. why does lenovo take a month just to be able to ship something that requires no customization?

this is why the chinese would never win in a war... their supply chain is fubar.
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9 years ago
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Martin
Where did you but your TP keyboard? On the Lenovo site?
I don't see it on the Dutch Lenovo Site, only the English, and I don't see it any Dutch shops or wholesale suppliers...
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9 years ago
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M̮͈̣̙̰̝̃̿̎̍ͬa͉̭̥͓ț̘ͯ̈́t̬̻͖̰̞͎ͤ̇ ̈̚J̹͎̿̾ȏ̞̫͈y̭̺ͭc̦̹̟̦̭̫͊̿ͩeͥ̌̾̓ͨ
lenovo site.
 
8 years ago
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LLF
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I'd just stay with my laptop keyboard, but I would like HappyHacking Keyboard, it looks nice.

lucas's avatar
8 years ago
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lucas
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so i got a black ps2 happy hacking lite2 keyboard ($30 shipped).

i like it.
asemisldkfj's avatar
8 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
nothing beats the thinkpad keyboard for me. I used one at work the other day for a few hours then went back to a new Dell keyboard and wanted to kill myself.
lucas's avatar
8 years ago
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lucas
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yeah. it's definitely the best keyboard built into a laptop.
asemisldkfj's avatar
8 years ago
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asemisldkfj
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it's probably my favorite keyboard I've used including desktop ones. the macbook keyboard is decent but feels kind of cheap. I really like the short travel of laptop keyboards though. I was even pretty quick on the mobilepro keyboard when I got used to it :).
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8 years ago
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lucas
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you didn't like your model m?
asemisldkfj's avatar
8 years ago
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asemisldkfj
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I liked it but honestly the noise was too annoying to do any serious work on it. and I still like the short travel of laptop keyboards. it makes me feel like I can type faster.

speaking of keyboards, I might buy a MobilePro again because they are cool. I really have no idea what good use I'd have for it, but I was looking at them on eBay and couldn't help myself. similarly, the IBM z50 has a pretty awesome keyboard and is similar to the MobilePro so I was looking at those too. I blame this thread.
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8 years ago
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lucas
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everything is beautiful, and i blame you
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8 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
the mobilepro I was bidding on just went for like $140!! geeze. somebody overpaid. I buy it now-ed a z50 for 75 bucks because I'm an idiot.
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8 years ago
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my mom likes the happy hacking keyboard lite2 (ps/2, black), so i turned on sw3 (which makes the delete key into a backspace key) and gave it to her.

i used to think that keytronic keyboards were good. now i realize that her keyboard sucked (mushy, short throw). it's pretty clean, so i'll sell it on ebay.
lucas's avatar
8 years ago
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lucas
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up for consideration: the cherry ultraslim series!

G86-52400EUADAA -- black, usb, has windows keys, about $70
G84-4100LCAUS-0 -- lt gray, usb, no windows keys, about $70
G84-4100PTAUS -- black, usb, no windows keys, about $70
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8 years ago
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... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
I <3 my Kinesis Ergo in Dvorak setup.

Funny story: it's an oooooold AT keyboard, connected to an AT/PS2 adapter, connected to a USB KVM. :D
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8 years ago
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Martin
Damn, I seriously want that thinkpad keyboard, yet it is still available only the the US ... :(
I don't know if bank transfers are easy to the US, but I can pay with paypal ...

email if interested: carpetsmoker@rwxrwxrwx.net
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7 years ago
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nestor
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i think my realforce 103 u-uw comes tomorrow...
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7 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
nothing beats the thinkpad keyboard. but I haven't tried any of these expensive ones. I probably don't type enough to justify buying one.
lucas's avatar
7 years ago
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lucas
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you've used the ibm mini you gave me. you didn't like it more?
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7 years ago
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asemisldkfj
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I never really used it extensively. just for quick system administration stuff.
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7 years ago
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the mailroom at my office didn't know how to deal with the duty on the realforce. i'm getting it tomorrow.
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7 years ago
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nestor
nestor
it's REAL nice.

i need to figure out how to make the key stoppers work. i hate f1 / f3 keys.
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7 years ago
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nestor
nestor
got the stoppers working!
lucas's avatar
7 years ago
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lucas
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are you in love?
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7 years ago
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nestor
nestor
The key stroke feeling of HHKB is a sense to which it walks on the wood floor.

The key stroke feeling of realforce is a sense to which it walks on the marble with leather shoes.

-- japanese youtube user "section6nakamura"
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7 years ago
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asemisldkfj
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I love wood floors.
nestor's avatar
7 years ago
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nestor
it's odd... they have the same switch
lucas's avatar
7 years ago
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lucas
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HHKB Pro?
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7 years ago
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nestor
yes.
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7 years ago
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Martin
The spill-resistant feature of my thinkpad keyboard has been tested.

It works :)
lucas's avatar
7 years ago
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lucas
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i tested mine

it didn't work too well (i was praying for a week while it sat in a bag of rice)
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7 years ago
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:-(
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7 years ago
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asemisldkfj
the law is no protection
I really need to take all the keys off of my thinkpad and clean it. there's so much food and hair and probably like a bowl's worth of weed in here.
lucas's avatar
7 years ago
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lucas
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is it under warranty ?
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7 years ago
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asemisldkfj
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it's not. a free keyboard would have been nice.
lucas's avatar
7 years ago
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lucas
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it's a macbook, huh

because i have a spare x200s keyboard
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7 years ago
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asemisldkfj
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nah, x301.
lucas's avatar
7 years ago
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lucas
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oh. i think i missed something.
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2 months ago
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phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
*mega bump*

I stand by this statement: The Sun Type 5 (not 5c) is the greatest keyboard ever.

I mean look at it

If only the Type 7 maintained the correct Control positioning (and Esc, and grave, et al), then I'd have a worthy USB keyboard.
lucas's avatar
2 months ago
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yeah, that's really the keyboard for the keyboard user, especially on unix-like oses.
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2 months ago
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phi_
... and let the Earth be silent after ye.
And on Sun machines, that power key on the kbd is an actual power key. It uses this weird 8-pin mini-DIN and RS/232 protocol to communicate so it has similar capabilities to a full terminal.

If I get one, an Arduino Nano would probably work well for a Sun->PS/2(or USB, I guess) converter. Thing requires two separate +5V sources (pins 3 & 8) so it can also power a Sun mouse from the keyboard rather than the workstation.

Idk, I think they're cool as hell.